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Re: باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4082

  • Patrizia
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Dear Ostad Jalilzadeh, as you know I keep on thinking about the things already learned and sometimes I find something that is not clear. I was thinking about Anattawa.

I realized that if I look at each technique in all the mummay, everything is a defence or an attack. But at the beginning, when we turn and do the kia "Heiss", we take the fists to the side of the body in yeteh rato, this is not a technique, instead it is only for breathing, right? the only reason is to take out all the air from the lungs. So we could say that those 3 movements are the only 3 that are not really techniques, am I right?
The reason because I am asking too bad is always the same...sometimes I have an old and fake memory that comes out and I don't want to mess up!

Another thing is about gados. Is there a way to understand and distinguish them? You said that "gado" means "guard".

In Anattawa you said that before going to "Haima" when we take the foot in cat position and the right arm in front of the body horizontal to the ground and the left straight, that is a gado. So we have 4 of them from this side, everytime before going to haima technique. When we turn and go to wais-kineh, you talk again about "guard" before going to oranto from out and afma technique. So those should be other 2 gados, correct? What makes me think is that in that position the action hand that will end in oranto is at 90 degree to the ground, the position is very open. Is it really a guard, or I have misundertood? If it is a guard, and the opponent is in front of me, I thought I should have a more closed position.
If I search for something alike, I would think that a guard of the same type should be the one when we are in waisa axis and again we go with oranto from out to 45 degrees, before Mato up-Mato down sequence. Before doing the technique I take my body in a position that is similar to the one before going on Oranto from out. Ant this makes me think that this also could be a Gado. If it is like this, those could be other 2 possible gados. Correct or wrong?
So, how many gados are in Anattawa? are they the 8 position I found or not?

What about Atado? are there any Gados? and if so, where are they?
Thank you so much!
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باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4083

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Hello my friend and with permission of Master Jalilzadeh , I think that mumays has 3 profits : 1- with doing mumay we workout in different angles and axes and positions , so, our body and mind will used to all posible positions and angles

2- with repeating mumay correctly internal energy develope and flow in all of body correctly

3- with doing mumay our body and mind memorise the technic and with repeating of mumay technics become our instant and part of our attitude and technics become part of us .

Each form has its special technics and positions but at the same time each form is a preparation for next form too ! if we don't learn anttawa correctly then later we can not realy learn atado ! and if we don't learn atado correctly then learning suto is very difficult ! and so on .

So I think in Anattawa not only we learn some technics ( defence or attack and even self defence ) but also we learn some different positions and how to turn our body and how to do Kiays and correct respiration and also doing different reactions that all of these are necessery later in other forms !

Concerning to Gado I think it is a guard just befor an action, I mean we prepare an action and we have to change our classic guard or position for being functional . Indeed gado is functional guard before defence or attack .
Last Edit: 12 years, 4 months ago by Jamshid.
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Re: باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4084

Thanks Dr. Javidan, you are right about Gado.

Dear Patrizia, in Anattawa we take both our arms back like 'Heis" four times, one in the beginning from Sensesero position and three on Duma defense techniques. But we say Heis three times.
All of these movement count as techniques. When we say technique, it doesn't mean we have to do some thing to attack or defend. Some times we do a move to make the body ready for an attack or defense. Here is like that too, when you move and say 'Heis", take all the air out of your body and stay like that, it means you make yourself ready to get punch or kick. So it should be a tactic some times for showing you are ready to take a hit to bring the opponent morality down and show your power and ability.

you are right we have 8 Gadoes in Anattawa.
As I explained before Gado is Guard. So when you have a guard, it is either for an attack, a defense, to make power or simply to show to make your morality up and the opponent down.
Here in Anattawa all of them are to make power and give the techniques a round power from the side to the front because we are at the position that the reaction is not fully functioning before the technique.

Yes we have Gadoes in all the stages including Atado.
In Atado, when we go to hit double Mato, one to the face one to the body. Before that move we have to make a Gado.

Look at the picture below, number 5 is a GADO.



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Last Edit: 12 years, 4 months ago by Mostafa Jalilzadeh.
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Re: باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4085

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Dear Ostad Jalilzadeh and dear Jamshid, thank you so much for the answers!

To Jamshid: I have never thought of a mummay as a preparation for the next one, thank you! About the gados, at the moment I didn't got what you meant, but after Ostad Jalilzadeh's answer I got it.
Functional guard before an action. I think the key to understand it is the term "funcional".

To Ostad Jalilzadeh: Thank you!!! Yes we take 4 times our body in position with hands on the side and 3 times we say "Heis", I noticed before but I didn't got the reason. Now I got it!

Here is like that too, when you move and say 'Heis", take all the air out of your body and stay like that, it means you make yourself ready to get punch or kick. So it should be a tactic some times for showing you are ready to take a hit to bring the opponent morality down and show your power and ability.


Finally I got the sense of that technique! completely different from what I knew (that was without any sense).Thanks again! Usually everytime we go in that position we take the air out and say "heis", we do like this also in atado. the only exception is the 3rd time in Anattawa. I ask myself why....maybe it would be too much? I mean, maybe saying it every time at so short distance I would take my energy down and have the opposite effect?

As I explained before Gado is Guard. So when you have a guard, it is either for an attack, a defense, to make power or simply to show to make your morality up and the opponent down.
Here in Anattawa all of them are to make power and give the techniques a round power from the side to the front because we are at the position that the reaction is not fully functioning before the technique.


Thank you Ostad, this is the perfect explanation I needed!! This allows me to search for them in all the mummayies.

About Atado: right!! I had missed. I mean, I knew it without being fully aware anyway. I searched first in my memory and than in the pictures, and I found only 2 gados in Atado, which are both those you mentioned. Did I got correctly?

So 8 in Anattawa, 2 in Atado?

Thank you again!
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Re: باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4091

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Dear Ostad Jalilzadeh and dear friends, I know it is hard to explain in written words, but I wish to understand a technique in Atado.
Before doing Yeteh keyeto and exhale the kia "jummay", we grab the collar of the opponent's shirt, pull in, hit huto "and throw the person by hitting with the right shoulder making you ready for the Yeteh Keyeto" .

If I hit the person with Huto and throw him by pushing him with the shoulder (??), this means that there should be a contact shoulder-chest I suppouse. Sorry for the question, I never tried a technque like this. than the person should go on the floor right? and does this means that yeteh keyeto hits another opponent? Have I got it?

Excuse me if my questions are so "basic".

Re: باسخ‌به: Question 12 years, 4 months ago #4092

No, you have not...
As a good fighter you have to realise, what would happen after your act? Is the opponent going to go down? Is he/she going to get hurt? Or is nothing going to happen. Is he/she able to defend or re attack? Or what is your tactic for that movement? And more ...
My opinion for fighting is to have a backup for any move, which is the same at this technique. The Yeteh Keyeto is the backup in this case. It means, if the Huto or shoulder techniques do not work, your backup is the Yeteh Keyeto.
Don't forget you are doing a form that is making your body practice to have balance and fight at two different directions.
When we do a form, it means we are practising techniques after another. Backups are most of them plus directions.
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